This film is carried by a recent conversation between Roddy Doyle and Antony Gormley.
To play this short film please click here or on the image above
The full conversation can be heard here [as first aired on BBC Radio 4, Only Artists, 13 November 2019.
IMPORTANT: I do not have copyright for any of the images used in this film apart from the image of Hale Bopp teddy bear (which I painted)